But nevertheless according to DXO mark, the 18-35 and the 14-24 having much better values, resolving power/sharpness etc. Pentax 645Z, in its turn, comes with a 51.0 MP Medium format sized CMOS sensor and PRIME III processor , which makes it significantly different from the first model. . There’s a definite difference in the way the Zeiss 2.8/21 renders on the D800E as opposed to the Pentax 25/4 on the 645Z – even though the Pentax is actually wider at an equivalent 19mm horizontal field of view, it doesn’t feel as wide as the Zeiss. Hi Ming…i want to ad a MF to my bag..i am used to canon..i own the 5ds…i would love the 645z but is too much money for me now..taking the 645d y could keep my canon equipment and leave 645d for portraits landscapes and personal work…is it a better iq compared to nikon d800? ‘m planning on getting the Nikon 24-70mm VR if/when it comes out. Ming, thank you again for the quality of your insights, reflections, and the production values you incorporate into your blog articles. The lenses are not THAT good, either IMO, compared to the two new Zeiss Otus lenses. But 20k+ on a 50k shutter is not so good. - Page 7 - The GetDPI Photography Forums, Review: the 2019 Olympus ZD 12-200 f3.5-6.3, Long term lens review: the Nikon AF-S 24-120 f4 VR G, Macro shootout on Micro Four Thirds: four lenses, one winner. Not for a technical/pixel peeping film vs digital comparison, but a subjective, visceral one. And you know for me these things are tools: if they’re not doing the job, time to let them go…. grip right is landscape. She’s getting better, but slowly…. Sorry). On top of that, autofocus is much faster and more precise; it locks on with more confidence and doesn’t seem to shift around as much during repeated refocusing. If it’s the larger format look, remember that you can get much faster lenses for the 35FF systems than Pentax 645 (f2.8 max). Adobe’s own lens profile corrections were used for all cameras to take the glass out of the equation as much as possible. . Yes, those were release prices. I promise you every sample is PERFECT. But when you’re getting to the point of severe hair-splitting and diminishing returns, an example can’t hurt. Both are DSLR (Digital Single Lens Reflex) cameras that are equipped with a medium format sensor. The problem with the Hasselblad CFV-39 is that you can’t really find or buy it new today. Image quality is better in some areas, a little worse in others (noise). I know that there are other variable like lens quality involved as well, but I wanted to get your opinion if possible. You are a bit full of yourself. Prices have come down a lot recently. For the last year or so I am finding myself printing images (poster size or larger) with much more frequency for my clients. I would use the new Zeiss APO (135mm,. Great review- thanks. Take a look below to find the comparison of Pentax 645D and Pentax 645Z by the size of their sensors. From L-R: Pentax 645D, Pentax 645Z, Hasselblad 501CM with CFV-39 digital back, Nikon D800E. I didn’t ‘knock anybody’s states’, I’m stating a fact I was told point blank by Nikon here that they’d prefer to work with somebody US or Japanese. Pentax 645Z. Because epson offer bigger inks 700ml and as a consequence of this its cheaper than the HP one? Pentax 645D is 70g lighter than the Pentax 645Z but we don't think this will make a significant difference. Sorry to hear about your hospitalized muse, hope she is back to full strength soon! Beyond that, the CFV starts to fall apart at IS0 400, and earlier in the deep shadows – notice how quickly luminance noise starts to set in. The newer 810 may mitigate the ISO performance difference. Doesn’t change the fact that the lenses are amongst the finest ever produced. Two of the cameras I wanted the most this year are surely the Nikon D800E and the Pentax 645D.Both provide stellar image quality thanks to the 36mp and 40mp respectively and the lack of an Anti-Alias filter (sort of: D800E still has one, but it’s neutralized) all wrapped up in a weathersealed body that can be taken practically anywhere. One question: you write that “Adobe’s own lens profile corrections were used for all cameras to take the glass out of the equation as much as possible.” This is not to say that the 645D and CFV-39 are slouches in this department: far from it. Frankly, if used properly, everything from the last five years or so can still produce wonderful prints. 4.9 / 5. […], […] and new and thus give Nikon a good profit. That can be a good and a bad thing – good because you’ve got a lot more room for external controls, bad because it means even more weight. If you are used to the D…then surely the Z would give you everything you needed? Pentax 645D vs Pentax 645Z. I thought so initially, it being medium format and MF always giving the ‘feel’ of quality stuff, but your review made me doubt my options…, A D810 (or even D750) is more than enough. Stunning Photography and a well written review. The only way they communicate is via the little pin that protrudes from the camera body and used to advance the film counter; before the exposure, when the auxiliary shutter curtain rises, the pin extends into the back which wakes it up and primes the sensor; the leaf shutter is closed at this point so the whole camera is light-tight. This is an important point to note: all of these sensors are relatively high density and will test lenses to their limits, especially the D800E; a lack of good lenses is its achilles’ heel. I’m a photographer and furniture maker and my company has allowed me to purchase a new camera, budget ~€7500 to document our custom work/portfolio shots. The former has to do with flash sync and high iso capabilities; effectively you’re trading off one for the other. Interestingly, there are some subtle color differences between my early (May 2012) D800E and the late one (Jan 2014) – perhaps not all batches of the sensor are identical…. No idea on color, though I’ve profiled all of my cameras to taste anyway, so they’re all producing roughly the same thing in final output. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us. It’s easy to see why the D800E has been making serious conquests over both documentary and studio professionals – I deploy mine under both situations to equal effect. Shadow dynamic range, ISO 800 – If we take a look into the shadows, you can see the CMOS cameras pull far ahead – the 645Z looks to be a bit lighter than the D800E, despite an identical highlight exposure, which suggests that most of its extra dynamic range lies in the deep shadows. The D800E still looks much the same as the 645Z, and both don’t appear much different from base ISO. 19/21/25mm: yes, I think it’s partially down to the format, and partially down to the geometric projection; I assume this has something to do with both lens design and focal length, which is why some wides appear wider than others (stretching at edges). It just not feld right. *brrrrr* Speedy recovery! I guess what I’m saying is that I can see a reason to keep both the CFV and 645Z around – unfortunately, my accountant is telling me otherwise…MT. I’m sorry to read of your wife’s illness and hope as with the others for a complete and speedy recovery for her. I do use a color chart to get into the ballpark, but that assumes your monitor is perfect to start, and that your eyes are accurate enough to tell the difference. Here is a brief look at the main features of Pentax 645D and Pentax 645Z before getting into our more detailed comparison. 40 MP In my experience, I actually feel cramped going to a 1.33:1 ratio for the same EFOV compared to a 1.5:1 ratio. Think of this as a continuation of my initial three part review, here, here and […], […] Choices, choices, choices. Not sure if this is the appropriate blog post in which to post this ( if not Ming can move it to one of his earlier blog posts ) but I thought the info in the following write-up might be of interest in that it adds some interesting info to the discussion and also supports much of what Ming has been saying about medium format compared to smaller imaging systems: Guide to second hand medium format digital backs: http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/photography/mfdb-guide.html. Ming The… I would say that there are actually very few lenses indeed that can be used on digital without […], […] Phantastic review made by Ming Thein, lengthy and full of interesting pictures. 4:3 is definitely better for portraits – the extra horizontal room is more flattering to the subject, for starters…, All the best to your wife – sorry to hear/read about her catching dengue fever…. While the latter is top notch, I, and no doubt many of your discerning regulars, am particularly drawn by the calibre of your insights (for as long as you care to share them & not go spare with the pressure). I’m really a polar bear in drag. Others may think any noise at the pixel level is unforgivable, so they go with an A7S (and lose out on the difference in rendering). However, the new Pentax SDM lenses are all on par or better – the 55/2.8 is slightly sharper than the 4/50 FLE, which suffers from some focus shift as a consequence of the FLE group; the 90/2.8 SR blows the 2.8/80 out of the water, and is slightly better than the 4/120 Makro-Planar all over. Thanks for your response Ming, I know you are a very busy man. All good things… Perhaps less so with C-41, even in medium format, and perhaps a bit more so with B/W films. That’s criminal, capital punishment criminal! I agree with MP: It’s amazing that you have been able to produce these wonderful reviews while going back and forth to the hospital. Thanks, Arjan. Pentax 645Z Shop now at Amazon. That said, the rationale behind these choices is as follows a) I had access to them; b) to build a more or less complete system would be roughly the same price; Nikon and Pentax new lenses are more expensive than the used screwdriver Pentax FA or Hasselblad V glass; by the time you add everything in, the 645Z is obviously the most expensive option – but also arguably has the highest IQ potential. I’m not talking about the super-shallow depth of field that’s a property of very large formats, but the way the focus transition rolls off, even at f8; it tends to be much smoother and more gradual than the abrupt ‘planes’ we’re accustomed to with fast lenses and 35mm DSLRs. Whilst the V series is perfect for studio work because the leaf shutter will give you flash sync all the way to their 1/500s maximum speed, and relatively small maximum apertures (f4 for all of the leaf lenses except the 80mm, which is f2.8) and manual focus only aren’t very important, they’re not so good for outdoor reportage and available light work – precisely because you’re restricted to f4 and 1/500s. Oh, and all the best to your wife. ), but I doubt they’ll drop since 645Zs are back ordered until November over here, so if I were the retailers I’d leave the 645D price right where it is and mop up a few desperate customers while I could. Floris, just stop tormenting yourself with varying quality of 16-35 samples. Homes here are being bought to live in, and there is a shortage. Early digital cameras would blow the channels very quickly, to the point of being unusable unless you underexposed by 1-2 stops – at the expense of the rest of the image; we’ve come a long way since then. 645 FB distance makes it easier to design perfectly telecentric lenses, especially at wider angles of view – the result being orthogonal geometric reproduction. Welcome to part two of the Pentax 645Z review – the first part can be found here. Thank you for putting together this through and insightful review. Pentax 645Z's sensor provides 11MP more than Pentax 645D's sensor, which gives a significant advantage in real life. Personal preference. Best, William. But this has been the way for as long as I can remember in this industry, and more so when we’re dealing with very niche products. None of these can exactly be considered light or compact, though the 645s with the diminutive 75mm aren’t too bad, and if you opt for the f1.8G primes for the Nikon (28, 35, 50, 85) you can pack a lot of image quality into not much space at all. Oh, I’m pretty sure I’ll burn out in another year or two. As far as I know only the P67 LS lenses work natively/easily. For ultra wide angle prime lens, the Pentax smc DA 25mm f/4 AL (IF) SDM AW lens is the best choice. There is no Zeiss equivalent to the 25/4. So for you the 16-35 is better optically?? What's more, … Your training as a physicist, combined with your diverse career background, give your photographic commentary exceptional depth (and every thinking photographer appreciates that). Thank you for the tips on Nikon lenses. The 645D is now joined by Pentax’s latest medium-format addition, the new 645Z. 44 x 33mm vs 43.8 x 32.8mm I haven’t checked post 645Z release (it was only last Friday! The Nikon D800E splits the difference – 1/8000s maximum shutter, 1/250s sync speed, and lenses down to f1.2 (mostly f1.4). Funny you should mention that – I got slammed on a few forums for being too desaturated and presenting and ‘flat’ images – perhaps these people are so used to HDR they’ve forgotten what the real world actually looks like…. Thanks Jay! The 645Z is just bananas. I am leaning more toward the 645z from an overall value perspective. I felt myself thinking that as I was reading. Depends on what kind of a house you want. Personally, I found the prism + grip solution much better for stability and general usability. Heads and shoulders over all others I’ve read! Sure does put things into perspective given my whining about UK import duty. It’s quite possible that the slight high ISO gain for the D810 may edge this somewhat in Nikon’s favour. You offer a wonderful, stimulating resource. There are two enormous reasons why they can ask for that much money and still find buyers, though: autofocus + leaf shutter/ high speed flash sync, and professional support – at least in the rest of the world. I compare the 645z vs 35mm systems to the drum scanner compared to other good quality mainstream flatbed scaners. It isn’t for me, but it is right for some. A note on testing methodology and lens choices: What’s not obvious in this table is the difference between the 645Z and 645D is significantly larger in practice than the numbers would suggest. You’d have to skip a lot of cameras to get the car instead…, Depends in which country. I agree with Brett, it’s surprising for you to have been able to spin out this work — review and images and the like — while she has been hospitalized with this illness. Nope, sorry. Color and tonal response That said, though the highlights and overall histogram appear the same, the 645Z’s lowest zone is a bit lighter, which suggests that there’s more dynamic range than the D800E in here. More pleasing? You have a 100% mechanical camera – any V series body – and lens on the front that’s of course capable of operating without batteries and independently of the back; you could even (gasp) load film into another back and swap it out if you wish. Will the ccd system have a more “medium format” look than the pentax cmos?”. However, this system as a digital option has one enormous catch: because the film capture area was meant to be square, the viewfinder and controls were laid out in such a way as to only work in one orientation. Thank you for your outstanding review! In any case, I highly encourage you to try them out in person before making a decision; ultimately, it will come down to personal preferences. Especially if you consider the overall performance flexibilty, for all purposes usable, broadest lens selection, still “carryable”, possibility of creating a light travel kit 1.8 primes 70-200 f4….the widest possible lens of all, tilt and shifts…the 14-24 aimed to be the king of landscape and partially architecture……. best, Andrea. Hi Ming. The 645 is slightly taller so it may give an impression that it’s not as wide? You hit the nail on the head…..I will need to hone my scanning skills. Not sure if a similar question was already asked and/or addressed by others in this blog if so, I apologize in advance. Great review. Alternatively strobe heads like the speedotron 103 with their power packs – whose flash duration is quite long. Pentax 645Z's 3.2" LCD screen is slightly larger than Pentax 645D's 3" screen. I personally think the 4:3 aspect give you a bit more headroom, but it’s less conducive to previsualizing cinematic. How much better is the D810 than the D800e? In this review, we will be comparing 645D and 645Z, two Pro DSLR cameras by Pentax. Great article as always MT;^) I would be very curious on what your off the cuff thoughts would be about the new Pentax film duplicator accessory. Find out where the D850 wins! It was very informative and engaging read. The camera’s orientation follows a normal DSLR, i.e. I was thinking maybe the 645D so there’s some budget left for lenses, but it’s the same price as FF offerings from Canikon – and is the 645D good enough in comparison to choose it over a FF? I just want to make one comment about all of the cameras: there’s remarkably little hue shift as the sensitivity increases even to 6400 or thereabouts (with the exception of the deep shadows of the CFV, which have been polluted with chroma noise); we see some desaturation but this is to be expected. Probably not as a replacement for the 24-70 as there’s no wide or wide-normal zoom for the 645 in that range. I must say I love your style of processing images. Also keep in mind that body weight is not the only deciding factor when comparing two interchangeable camera bodies, you have to also take into account the lenses that you will be using with these bodies. I can’t help but wonder actually if the M240 would have been better off with the D800E’s sensor (The D4S/ Df sensor would be ideal given its aim as a reportage camera, but I can’t see Nikon releasing that one). There are three common colours (or so I was told) – rosso corsa, which is the intense red; rosso berlinetta which is the metallic burgundy of the 599, and that orangey hue whose name I forget. Because of the minimum ink drop size, color gamut and controllability of the printer. From L-R: Pentax 645D, Pentax 645Z, Hasselblad 501CM with CFV-39 digital back, Nikon D800E. Number of available lenses is a big decision factor while choosing your interchangeable lens camera. For portraiture, fashion, reportage/ documentary, travel, landscape etc – pick your poison. Today Pentax announced its first medium-format digital camera. Our ‘lowest’ resolution camera here weighs in at 36MP; the highest, 51. Mostly would like to know if you think I could get about the same quality digital file as from what a Nikon 5000ed Coolscan can produce. Removing anti-alias filter increases the sharpness and level of detail but at the same time, it increases the chance of moire occurring in certain scenes. I’m with you here 100%. H2 2014 workshops now open for booking – Making Outstanding Images San Francisco, Chicago and Venice; Masterclass San Francisco and Venice – click here to book or for more info. The problem is that I just wasn’t using it. If so what equivalent lens(es) would you suggest? I can’t say that realistically most people will ever need that (even commercial photographers). The D810 is available here (B&H, Amazon). On top of that, most of the lenses will have edge CA and purple fringing issues when tilted or shifted. We have 200% import tax here, so after adjusting for relative real estate costs, it’s more like two decent houses…. Cheers. But if you consider the different format ratios (645Z 4:3 vs. D810 3:2) and would compare both on 3:2 format (cropped 645Z file) the resolution advantage would decrease but i know the sharpness, DR and color accuracy will still be better on the Pentax! The Pentax 645Z is a medium format crossover camera and update to the popular Pentax 645D. 250k is not so bad if you really like the CCD look. Don’t forget to like us on Facebook and join the reader Flickr group! | Medium format (44 x 33 mm) CCD Sensor, 51 MP We also have the Z3200 and its larger 60″ brothers. My 4×5 set-up, with one smaller camera back-up, weighs nearly 22 kg. Pentax 645D. However, it seems that Photoshop does not recognize the lens profile automatically. And maybe the distortion factor too… I don’t notice (with the focal lengths you choose), the odd looking furniture in the corners that drop off as if they are living in another dimension, typical of UWA’s. The 645Z features a 51.4 MP medium format (43.8×32.8mm) CMOS sensor. . Highlight dynamic range, ISO 100. hmmm… I think your processing is elegantly less saturated, with a deeply restrained grade, yet sweet and aromatic, yielding delectable smoothness, a rich earthy flavor, a profusion of virtual aroma, prolonging the pleasure with its characteristic slightly neutral finish and velvety structured notes. Realistically, this means that architecture still remains the preserve of the Nikon system for me. Were you expecting a much larger gap in IQ or visual impact between the systems? Hasselblad has the clunky Flexbody and somewhat less clunky Arcbody, but operation of both with digital backs is fraught with risk as you must remove the digital back to focus and frame between every exposure. The 645Z and D800e walk away with this one; whilst all of the cameras look pretty much the same at ISO 100, you’ll find that the noise floor is much lower on those with CMOS sensors. Firstly, it’s important to know that all of the images from each set had their white balance set on the same object in the scene, using a 5×5 pixel sample eyedropper; this should be about as close to consistent as possible. If used with a 645z and with a lens you would recommend for digitizing mostly 35mm Fuji Velvia slides and various other 35mm slide films plus 35mm negatives. A have a question. Ok, KL. Thanks. churning a D610 instead of fixing the D600’s oil spots… only to acknowledge they had to take their responsibilities when their “strategy” brutally and unsurprisingly backfired on them). Of course, there has to be a huge amount of personal subjectivity to be taken into account. Let alone corner performance as bad as possible imo…The new cheap 18-35 afs is better but without vr and two mm less wide and every mm counts having a huge impact on the perspective!!!! Those lenses allied to a state of the art EVF, incorporating 81 autofocus points across the entire sensor, in an altogether lighter and easier to use package, particularly for those of advancing years and rampant presbyopia..!! Let's see if this age difference between two cameras makes a big difference. I also profile up front, but it’s just something I don’t understand, why companies have such different perception of colour. I can’t really say to a client ‘sorry, product or building X looks different from the wide shot to the closeup because I used a different camera’. Clearly the Z is an improvement on the D, but for those posters who have discarded the D: the D still produces wonderful prints and that really is the point – isn’t it? As for cheap cameras – have you seen what I can do with an iPhone? The only place where the CFV is demonstrably better is in reproduction of the reds in the tail light; it’s much closer to accurate than the 645D or D800E, which are far off; interestingly, the 645Z is closer to the CFV despite having architecture and processing that’s much closer to the other two. I think the truth lies somewhere between those two. The new released Pentax 28-45mm f/4.5 ED AW SR lens is one of the best choice for wide-angle photography. Different tool, different purpose. If you enjoyed the content, please consider, All images and content copyright Ming Thein 2014+. I do have one dedicated 35mm film scanner that I still use, though I think it is out of production. 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